During the comics festival in Lodz, Poland this year, I had the opportunity to speak with comedian and writer Arie Kaplan, author of the book From Krakow To Krypton: Jews and Comic Books.
Arie Kaplan is a bit of everything: comedian, cartoonist,
journalist, lecturer and comic book writer. As a lecturer, he also visited
Norway once, during the Jewish Culture Festival in Trondheim in 2011.
But comic books
have a special place in his heart. He has written two books on comics history:
Masters of the Comic Book Universe Revealed! (2006) and the aforementioned From
Krakow To Krypton: Jews and Comic Books (2008). The latter book in particular,
was the basis for this interview. Jewish comic creators are so numerous (even
if one disregards the European ones, such as René Goscinny) that even this
fairly voluminous book could not cover them all. Is there anyone he would have
liked to interview, but didn’t get around to?
"Arnold Drake,
who co-created the Guardians of the Galaxy (the first team) in 1969 and Doom
Patrol. I wanted to interview him, but I didn’t get to it, and now he’s no
longer with us", Kaplan replies after a bit of hesitation. Will Elder was also mentioned.
What would he
added if he was asked to publish a new edition now of the book now?
"There’s certainly
been other Jewish graphic novels that have come out since then" He also thinks maybe he'd spend more of the material that he got when interviewing Will Eisner. "There are
a few characters that have emerged from DC and Marvel since 2008, Jewish characters
that I would’ve liked to talk about. Like Batwoman; in the current DC comics Universe, she is
Jewish."
I mention another
DC superhero, the Atom. But many people have had the identity of the Atom, he’s
a legacy character, and the current one is apparently Asian - Ryan Choi. Kaplan
admits that he’s not sure which Atom was Jewish. He also admits that while he knows there have been made new Graphic novels about
Jews since 2008, he's can’t name any at the moment.
In From Krakow To Krypton he tries also to analyze Spider-Man to find out if there’s
something Jewish about the figure.
"A little bit,
but since then I have reconsidered my position, because I was hired by Slate Magazine earlier this year to do an article on that. They
said: As you know, Andrew Garfield, star of The Amazing Spider-Man movies is himself Jewish, and in interviews he did for to promote [The Amazing Spider-Man 2], he’s been saying that Spider-Man is Jewish.
This hadn’t happened when I wrote the book, and I could certainly have talked
about that. And also that the producer Avi Arad had gone on record saying the
same thing. Avi Arad is himself Jewish too, he’s from Israel. That made me
think: Maybe there’s something to it. They got me into a screening of the movie,
I saw it, I enjoyed it, and I took copious notes, and one thing screaming out
to me as being subtextually Jewish, and I was surprised that more people hadn’t
spoken about this, was the use of traditional Jewish humor in Spider-Man. Peter
Parker / Spider-Man is one of those characters that always jokes about
everything, as a way of relieving tension."
I have to agree.
That was one of the things that really got me into Spider-Man as a kid.
"And I think
that's one of the reasons why he survives as such a popular character. The
children love it, and it's also why adults love him so much. He doesn’t take himself
too seriously, it makes him more human. Not that Jews have a monopoly on humor,
but the type of humor that Spider-Man uses is very much this sort of old school
Borscht Belt one-liners that
wouldn’t be out of place in a Don Rickles comedy routine from the 50's or 60's.
I find it interesting that those are the kind of lines that every writer gives Spider-Man. And it’s something that was very much started by Stan Lee, who is
also Jewish. I’ve interviewed Stan Lee, but I’ve never spoken to him about this, because it’s just something that I thought of recently. If I ever
get a chance to interview him again I’ll probably ask him about it. We write
what we know. Lee probably grew up around Borscht Belt humor and Jewish humor
in general."
Would it be
possible to make Spider-Man Jewish after the character has been around for so
many years, I ask myself. It’s been done before, anyway. Chris Claremont made Magneto
Jewish more than ten years after the character first appeared. As "From
Krakow two Krypton" informed me, Claremont half Jewish, and he spent two months
on a kibbutz in Israel after his first apprentice period at Marvel.
"When Ben Grimm
was created, it really was uncommon to give characters a set ethnicity or a set
religion", Kaplan explains. "In the early 60's, TV was just starting to explore
multiculturalism and diversity, and comics were just starting to as well. When Ben Grimm was first created, he had no set ethnicity. but it’s hard to look
at the character, the way he’s usually written, and not see him as Jewish,
because he’s this though guy from the lower east side, he talks a lot like Jack
Kirby, and both smoked cigars. The
character really seems a lot like Jack Kirby" (who, as everyone knows, was also
Jewish).
Getting back to Back
to the X-Men and Claremont for a moment: I used to think that Kitty Pryde (one
of Claremonts creations, supposedly based on a military woman he saw in Israel)
was the first Jewish superhero who was meant to be Jewish to begin
with. But Kaplan’s book suggests that it may have been Ragman from DC. Once and for all, who
was the first?
Kaplan thinks back
on an interview he did with Joe Kubert (who helped create Ragman). "It's tricky",
he says. "I think [Ragman] was [meant to be Jewish], but Kubert didn’t talk
about it a lot. It wasn’t till later, when other writers and artists explored
it more, his Jewish lineage, and worked it more into the origin story. I think
he was the first character who was originally set out to be Jewish. He was
created in the seventies, and in the seventies you started having a little more
free rein to do that. There were certain supporting characters who were
Jewish. But there were so many comic book companies out there, and a lot of
them no longer run today, but at that point there was just so many of them, and
it's hard to go through everything. The first one that I can find is probably Ragman, but was he the first one? That’s hard to say."
Arie Kaplan knows
a lot about comics, but what has he made of comics? First and foremost, he
works in MAD, something for which he got a good response when he visited
Norway. He’s described working for MAD as "a dream", but does he have
any unfulfilled ambitions in the comics field?
"Oh yeah, a few.
I would love to write a Conan the Barbarian story, a Spider-Man story, a Batman
story, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman ... there’s a lot of characters I that I
would love to tackle. Writing a Catwoman story would be a lot of fun. I’d love
to tackle the X-Men, Teen Titans…there’s a lot of characters out there."
A lot of super heroes
on the wish list, then. We've talked a lot about comic books. The reason why comic strips are not really discussed in From Krakow To Krypton is simple: There are
far fewer Jewish comic creators in strip format. This is because the comic book
industry, like Hollywood, was founded by Jews, so Jewish creators were not being
discriminated there. Kaplan admits that it gets a bit more complicated than
that, but that's the main reason. However, the book starts off with an interesting
piece of information about the use of newspaper comic strips, one that is also
extremely relevant to the Scandinavian market: The Max Gaines (father of
William Gaines) was the first publisher to collect newspaper strips and sell
them in magazine form. It was "Famous Funnies" # 1 in 1933. This way of filling up comic books is mostly
obsolete in the US, but still very much alive in Scandinavia.
Returning to the
comic book format one more time, I dare Arie Kaplan to tell me, once and for
all: Who is the most important Jewish comics creator of all time, Will Eisner
or Jack Kirby?
Kaplan is not
really in any doubt:
"Not to undermine
what Will Eisner has done. Eisner added a lot to the vocabulary and the
grammar, and the storytelling and everything. But just the sheer number of characters,
concepts and storytelling devices that Jack Kirby pioneered in, is just
overwhelming. I can’t put it into words. Michael Chabon said he’s the
Shakespeare or Cervantes of comics, and I agree."